1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:02,440 reading citizens and welcome to unknown 2 00:00:05,310 --> 00:00:04,930 [Music] 3 00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:05,320 [Applause] 4 00:00:28,220 --> 00:00:26,360 I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with 5 00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:28,230 Maureen Elsberry and Ryan's frag today 6 00:00:32,150 --> 00:00:30,110 thanks for hanging out with us today 7 00:00:36,650 --> 00:00:32,160 we're going to spend a little time 8 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:36,660 looking at alleged alien material some 9 00:00:41,330 --> 00:00:38,730 instances where people claim to possess 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:41,340 items that are pieces of a flying saucer 11 00:00:47,570 --> 00:00:44,570 or other material that has an 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:47,580 extraterrestrial origin we're talking 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:50,010 about this subject today because alien 14 00:00:54,860 --> 00:00:52,290 material has been a subject of renewed 15 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:54,870 interest in the past year or so because 16 00:00:58,700 --> 00:00:56,730 to the Stars Academy of Arts and Science 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:00:58,710 and organization we've mentioned 18 00:01:03,740 --> 00:01:01,050 repeatedly on this show announced back 19 00:01:06,290 --> 00:01:03,750 in September 2018 that had acquired 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:06,300 seven pieces of material that were 21 00:01:11,540 --> 00:01:08,850 purportedly from unidentified aerial 22 00:01:14,149 --> 00:01:11,550 phenomena it was during that same 23 00:01:17,180 --> 00:01:14,159 announcement that G TSA revealed that a 24 00:01:19,490 --> 00:01:17,190 material sample in their possession was 25 00:01:23,210 --> 00:01:19,500 on loan to the company a certain 26 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:23,220 magnesium zinc bismuth sample well in 27 00:01:29,390 --> 00:01:26,729 July of 2019 t TSA announced that it had 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:29,400 formally acquired this particular sample 29 00:01:34,490 --> 00:01:31,650 in the press release about the 30 00:01:37,340 --> 00:01:34,500 acquisition T TSA chief operations 31 00:01:39,260 --> 00:01:37,350 officer Steve Justus explained quote the 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:39,270 structure and composition of these 33 00:01:43,610 --> 00:01:41,490 materials are not from any known 34 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:43,620 existing military or commercial 35 00:01:48,170 --> 00:01:46,350 application in quote he went on to 36 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:48,180 explain that the company is quote 37 00:01:53,870 --> 00:01:51,570 focusing on verifiable facts and working 38 00:01:55,970 --> 00:01:53,880 to develop independent scientific proof 39 00:01:59,210 --> 00:01:55,980 of the materials properties and 40 00:02:02,030 --> 00:01:59,220 attributes in quote he pointed out that 41 00:02:04,070 --> 00:02:02,040 quote in some cases the manufacturing 42 00:02:06,430 --> 00:02:04,080 technology required to fabricate the 43 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:06,440 material is only now becoming available 44 00:02:13,210 --> 00:02:09,929 but the material has been in documented 45 00:02:15,949 --> 00:02:13,220 possession since the mid-1990s in quote 46 00:02:17,119 --> 00:02:15,959 the press release also stated that the 47 00:02:19,190 --> 00:02:17,129 company was actively seeking 48 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:19,200 partnerships to help research this 49 00:02:23,690 --> 00:02:21,450 sample and as we discussed a couple 50 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:23,700 weeks ago or a couple episodes ago 51 00:02:28,339 --> 00:02:25,980 depending on when you listen to it TTS a 52 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:28,349 recently entered into an agreement with 53 00:02:33,530 --> 00:02:30,720 the US Army where the Army is making 54 00:02:36,410 --> 00:02:33,540 military labs available to T TSA to 55 00:02:37,970 --> 00:02:36,420 enhance TT SAS research capabilities and 56 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:37,980 T TSA 57 00:02:41,930 --> 00:02:39,840 we'll share new findings and other 58 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:41,940 research with the army that the army can 59 00:02:47,270 --> 00:02:43,680 then use to develop enhancements for its 60 00:02:49,190 --> 00:02:47,280 ground vehicles t TSA acquired this 61 00:02:51,140 --> 00:02:49,200 material of interest from former 62 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:51,150 journalists and current UFO personality 63 00:02:56,300 --> 00:02:53,970 Linda Moulton Howe who herself got the 64 00:02:57,740 --> 00:02:56,310 material from the late art bill former 65 00:03:00,800 --> 00:02:57,750 host of the popular late night radio 66 00:03:03,949 --> 00:03:00,810 show coast to coast am the story behind 67 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:03,959 this material is that it allegedly comes 68 00:03:09,740 --> 00:03:06,450 from a military retrieval of a crashed 69 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:09,750 UFO in 1947 near the White Sands proving 70 00:03:15,860 --> 00:03:11,910 ground now the White Sands Missile Range 71 00:03:19,430 --> 00:03:15,870 in New Mexico now how has talked about 72 00:03:21,740 --> 00:03:19,440 this material for years she asserts that 73 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:21,750 she's been facilitating various testing 74 00:03:27,289 --> 00:03:24,690 for decades and she's of course speaking 75 00:03:30,170 --> 00:03:27,299 about it again because of the recent 76 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:30,180 transaction Angevin is recently 77 00:03:35,289 --> 00:03:32,130 published a story on Viacom's tech 78 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:35,299 Section motherboard on November 14th in 79 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:38,130 in the article he explains that how 80 00:03:42,650 --> 00:03:39,930 believes the material could become a 81 00:03:45,650 --> 00:03:42,660 quote lifting body with the right amount 82 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:45,660 of electromagnetic static and certain RF 83 00:03:50,569 --> 00:03:48,510 frequency how explains that TTS a 84 00:03:53,030 --> 00:03:50,579 conducted several tests on the material 85 00:03:56,479 --> 00:03:53,040 but kept running into problems then 86 00:03:59,270 --> 00:03:56,489 later Steve Justice actually contacted 87 00:04:02,930 --> 00:03:59,280 how stating that the army might be 88 00:04:05,660 --> 00:04:02,940 interested in the material so we've 89 00:04:08,599 --> 00:04:05,670 really haven't talked much on this show 90 00:04:10,789 --> 00:04:08,609 particularly about this material or 91 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:10,799 other meta materials in TTS A's 92 00:04:16,219 --> 00:04:13,769 possession so Ryan I know you've been 93 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:16,229 following this story too so what are 94 00:04:20,900 --> 00:04:18,329 your thoughts about this acquisition 95 00:04:23,750 --> 00:04:20,910 this thirty-five thousand dollar 96 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:23,760 acquisition purportedly yeah I think 97 00:04:30,830 --> 00:04:26,130 it's interesting that how like even in 98 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:30,840 that article stated how surprised t TSA 99 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:33,210 was at that price that she gave them 100 00:04:38,029 --> 00:04:35,370 like they were expecting something like 101 00:04:39,890 --> 00:04:38,039 you know hundred thousand maybe even 102 00:04:42,770 --> 00:04:39,900 over stuff like a million dollars for 103 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:42,780 this this meta material and when he 104 00:04:47,630 --> 00:04:45,690 threw out rice they were like oh my god 105 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:47,640 really yeah it's ours it was a bargain 106 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:48,510 do it 107 00:04:53,420 --> 00:04:51,330 what a bargain on an alien material but 108 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:53,430 um it's fascinating like you said the 109 00:04:59,300 --> 00:04:56,370 this material has been tested and tested 110 00:05:01,580 --> 00:04:59,310 and tested so many times now but there's 111 00:05:03,700 --> 00:05:01,590 like we all three of us know there's 112 00:05:06,410 --> 00:05:03,710 always more tests that can be done and 113 00:05:08,090 --> 00:05:06,420 the fact that the most expensive tests 114 00:05:10,730 --> 00:05:08,100 are the ones that haven't been done yet 115 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:10,740 I think it's pretty cool that the army 116 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:13,770 wants to do that it's interesting that 117 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:17,010 it's the army that TSA is now working 118 00:05:20,780 --> 00:05:18,570 with you know they did so much headway 119 00:05:22,190 --> 00:05:20,790 with the Navy in the past and now 120 00:05:25,130 --> 00:05:22,200 they're moving to another military 121 00:05:27,410 --> 00:05:25,140 branch so I think it's actually kind of 122 00:05:29,090 --> 00:05:27,420 exciting I know a lot of people are like 123 00:05:30,860 --> 00:05:29,100 oh there go there they go 124 00:05:33,710 --> 00:05:30,870 they're working with the army now but 125 00:05:36,860 --> 00:05:33,720 look there's more to the military than 126 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:36,870 just weaponizing things will it go that 127 00:05:41,870 --> 00:05:39,210 way who knows but um I think it's kind 128 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:41,880 of cool not gonna lie and boring I don't 129 00:05:45,860 --> 00:05:44,130 I don't know about you but you know what 130 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:45,870 I would I hear these stories and 131 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:49,050 particularly this one about you know 132 00:05:53,810 --> 00:05:50,970 people throwing out thousands of dollars 133 00:05:55,910 --> 00:05:53,820 for you know alleged UFO artifacts or 134 00:05:58,630 --> 00:05:55,920 things like that it definitely gives me 135 00:06:00,770 --> 00:05:58,640 flashbacks to our time at open minds 136 00:06:04,610 --> 00:06:00,780 yeah where there were always people 137 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:04,620 trying to get us to buy things always 138 00:06:08,810 --> 00:06:06,450 claiming to have you know pieces of 139 00:06:12,260 --> 00:06:08,820 flying saucers and you know all sorts of 140 00:06:14,630 --> 00:06:12,270 alien technology and some of it I guess 141 00:06:17,330 --> 00:06:14,640 we did buy its most of it we didn't but 142 00:06:18,890 --> 00:06:17,340 well let's let's not say we bought it 143 00:06:21,890 --> 00:06:18,900 because we didn't really have a say in 144 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:21,900 what was purchased in what was not I 145 00:06:27,860 --> 00:06:25,170 think in terms of on the investment 146 00:06:29,900 --> 00:06:27,870 front I would have advised strongly 147 00:06:35,690 --> 00:06:29,910 against purchasing some of the things 148 00:06:38,170 --> 00:06:35,700 that were purchased and I think I'm very 149 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:38,180 curious how Linda came up with that 150 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:43,290 35,000 number yeah how much value does 151 00:06:49,370 --> 00:06:46,770 this random piece of metamaterial how 152 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:49,380 much is it worth what she she did say I 153 00:06:53,660 --> 00:06:51,690 mean I'll give her this she said that 154 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:53,670 she's been spending upwards of six 155 00:06:58,930 --> 00:06:55,770 hundred to a thousand or two thousand 156 00:07:01,640 --> 00:06:58,940 dollars per year since 1996 when she 157 00:07:05,540 --> 00:07:01,650 acquired this for Mart bill I think 158 00:07:07,219 --> 00:07:05,550 calculators 18 yeah on studying the the 159 00:07:09,140 --> 00:07:07,229 object so she was just basically like 160 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:09,150 I'm gonna get my get my a money back a 161 00:07:17,090 --> 00:07:14,610 break even but yeah I mean who's to say 162 00:07:19,780 --> 00:07:17,100 if this comes back because some of the 163 00:07:23,780 --> 00:07:19,790 testing has come back and it's been very 164 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:23,790 kind of like oh well it's nothing like 165 00:07:30,260 --> 00:07:28,110 really shocking yet has emerged we think 166 00:07:34,070 --> 00:07:30,270 it might be able to float in a certain 167 00:07:36,650 --> 00:07:34,080 situation but we're not sure yet so what 168 00:07:40,010 --> 00:07:36,660 happens if we spend all this government 169 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:40,020 money on top of all the money that T TSA 170 00:07:45,050 --> 00:07:42,930 is spending and this turns out to be you 171 00:07:49,610 --> 00:07:45,060 know as some people believe like 172 00:07:52,279 --> 00:07:49,620 discarded material that was manufactured 173 00:07:54,890 --> 00:07:52,289 that kind of was was off so to speak 174 00:07:59,750 --> 00:07:54,900 right the leftover crap the accident 175 00:08:01,879 --> 00:07:59,760 accidental crap yeah sure yeah you know 176 00:08:04,279 --> 00:08:01,889 I think it's all pretty exciting to 177 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:04,289 watch you know I'm a big fan of science 178 00:08:11,659 --> 00:08:08,610 lab testing and physical evidence so I'm 179 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:11,669 really happy to CT TSA getting access to 180 00:08:16,070 --> 00:08:13,770 more resources to conduct further 181 00:08:19,070 --> 00:08:16,080 analysis on this material that's 182 00:08:22,850 --> 00:08:19,080 received so much attention lately that 183 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:22,860 being said I also can't help but notice 184 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:26,970 some illogical elements to this entire 185 00:08:37,130 --> 00:08:31,770 situation first this material allegedly 186 00:08:40,909 --> 00:08:37,140 comes from a UFO recovered by the US 187 00:08:44,230 --> 00:08:40,919 military that would mean that the 188 00:08:47,210 --> 00:08:44,240 military already has this material 189 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:47,220 conceivably lots of this material right 190 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:51,750 in his possession so and has since 1947 191 00:08:57,590 --> 00:08:53,690 you know if we're to believe the story 192 00:09:00,079 --> 00:08:57,600 so it's interesting that the military 193 00:09:02,930 --> 00:09:00,089 wants it if this tiny piece to do 194 00:09:05,030 --> 00:09:02,940 testing on it even though they seemingly 195 00:09:06,590 --> 00:09:05,040 have had it since the forties to test it 196 00:09:10,010 --> 00:09:06,600 and do whatever they're gonna do so 197 00:09:12,230 --> 00:09:10,020 anyway ii it seems odd that if what's 198 00:09:12,930 --> 00:09:12,240 really of interest with this material is 199 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:12,940 it 200 00:09:26,790 --> 00:09:23,890 for ground vehicle armor right and 201 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:26,800 camouflage right so an army spokesperson 202 00:09:32,010 --> 00:09:28,870 told em Jabin iose in his motherboard 203 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:32,020 article quote if a novel physical 204 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:33,850 phenomenon is discovered or empirical 205 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:36,130 data exists that points us in a certain 206 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:38,170 direction with a given material sample 207 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:39,880 we will certainly apply the appropriate 208 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:42,610 laboratory and appropriate stimulus to 209 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:45,970 it to study the resultant phenomena and 210 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:49,120 apply it to ground vehicle applications 211 00:09:55,380 --> 00:09:52,570 in quote this statement is consistent 212 00:09:57,090 --> 00:09:55,390 with our me comments provided in the 213 00:10:00,990 --> 00:09:57,100 press release about the research 214 00:10:04,530 --> 00:10:01,000 agreement between T TSA and the army so 215 00:10:06,900 --> 00:10:04,540 anyway i'm it's that's kind of weird to 216 00:10:08,220 --> 00:10:06,910 me I mean if the thing flows I guess 217 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:08,230 maybe they could be wanting their ground 218 00:10:11,870 --> 00:10:10,090 vehicles to float right yeah I'm kind of 219 00:10:16,290 --> 00:10:11,880 quitting watch do you watch The Jetsons 220 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:16,300 yeah I mean I mean think about if you 221 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:19,210 had one of Tesla's cyber trucks that 222 00:10:24,150 --> 00:10:22,210 could like float - that thing would be 223 00:10:26,970 --> 00:10:24,160 crazy on them I would be later on there 224 00:10:29,130 --> 00:10:26,980 yes we still can't figure out 225 00:10:30,690 --> 00:10:29,140 bulletproof glass though so I think he's 226 00:10:33,180 --> 00:10:30,700 got a ways to go well maybe that's why 227 00:10:35,430 --> 00:10:33,190 they need this material you know 228 00:10:37,230 --> 00:10:35,440 so anyway I'm really looking forward to 229 00:10:39,930 --> 00:10:37,240 seeing what the results of the testing 230 00:10:41,550 --> 00:10:39,940 are but it's a really it's really 231 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:41,560 interesting seeing this new public 232 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:44,650 interest in alleged alien material like 233 00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:46,450 we already mentioned this specific 234 00:10:51,930 --> 00:10:49,510 material has been out there for a while 235 00:10:55,710 --> 00:10:51,940 now it's not new information 236 00:10:59,280 --> 00:10:55,720 Linda's talked about it and it's testing 237 00:11:02,730 --> 00:10:59,290 for years and I mean alien materials has 238 00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:02,740 its own sub-genre of the UFO topic UFO 239 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:05,200 alien material there been countless 240 00:11:09,990 --> 00:11:06,910 claims over the years from people who 241 00:11:12,300 --> 00:11:10,000 allege they possess a piece of a UFO so 242 00:11:13,020 --> 00:11:12,310 I guess we can talk about a couple of 243 00:11:16,890 --> 00:11:13,030 those right now 244 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:16,900 first because the TTS a piece is thought 245 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:19,510 to have anti-gravity properties it 246 00:11:24,270 --> 00:11:21,910 really reminds me of a piece of material 247 00:11:26,140 --> 00:11:24,280 that investigative reporter George Knapp 248 00:11:29,260 --> 00:11:26,150 has in his possession 249 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:29,270 an alleged UFO crash happened in Russia 250 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:33,110 back in 1986 George Knapp travelled to 251 00:11:38,260 --> 00:11:35,810 the crash site in the 90s and he was 252 00:11:40,660 --> 00:11:38,270 given pieces multiple pieces of the 253 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:40,670 material reportedly recovered from the 254 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:44,330 crash site now in 2012 when the National 255 00:11:48,610 --> 00:11:45,770 atomic testing museum in Las Vegas 256 00:11:51,490 --> 00:11:48,620 Nevada opened its area51 myth or reality 257 00:11:54,790 --> 00:11:51,500 exhibit it featured a piece of this 258 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:54,800 material donated by Knapp and the 259 00:11:59,560 --> 00:11:56,690 information card accompanying the 260 00:12:03,700 --> 00:11:59,570 exhibit called it a quote authentic 261 00:12:06,519 --> 00:12:03,710 alien artifact in quote and description 262 00:12:10,269 --> 00:12:06,529 along with this material stated quote 263 00:12:13,690 --> 00:12:10,279 three Soviet academic centers and eleven 264 00:12:16,510 --> 00:12:13,700 research institutes analyzed the objects 265 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:16,520 from this UFO crash the distance between 266 00:12:21,970 --> 00:12:19,270 atoms is different from ordinary iron 267 00:12:25,090 --> 00:12:21,980 radar cannot be reflected from the 268 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:25,100 material elements in the material may 269 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:28,010 disappear and new ones reappear after 270 00:12:34,329 --> 00:12:31,490 heating one piece disappeared completely 271 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:34,339 in front of four witnesses 272 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:37,100 the core of the material is composed of 273 00:12:44,230 --> 00:12:39,110 a substance with anti-gravitational 274 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:44,240 properties in quote so here again this 275 00:12:51,820 --> 00:12:47,330 is a piece of material with some pretty 276 00:12:55,510 --> 00:12:51,830 incredible claims Knapp has had these 277 00:12:59,019 --> 00:12:55,520 since the 1990s and they were on public 278 00:13:00,940 --> 00:12:59,029 display in 2012 now morning you and I 279 00:13:02,740 --> 00:13:00,950 covered the news about George providing 280 00:13:05,199 --> 00:13:02,750 this bizarre material to the museum back 281 00:13:07,150 --> 00:13:05,209 in 2012 and we were both pretty 282 00:13:10,210 --> 00:13:07,160 fascinated by the grand claims being 283 00:13:12,850 --> 00:13:10,220 made so why do you think there's 284 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:12,860 seemingly so much more attention being 285 00:13:18,579 --> 00:13:15,890 given to Lynda's material that t TSA is 286 00:13:20,590 --> 00:13:18,589 working on now I mean to me George's 287 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:20,600 material seems just as interesting if 288 00:13:24,820 --> 00:13:22,010 not more interesting 289 00:13:27,390 --> 00:13:24,830 well George's material is interesting 290 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:27,400 because that case also fascinates me 291 00:13:35,770 --> 00:13:31,730 that's the height for one one it goes by 292 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:35,780 a couple names case personally I think 293 00:13:41,739 --> 00:13:39,529 that there's a new generation of PEEP 294 00:13:49,210 --> 00:13:41,749 that have started getting interested in 295 00:13:53,290 --> 00:13:49,220 the field based on Tom's musical sort of 296 00:13:56,139 --> 00:13:53,300 status and have dived into this now and 297 00:13:57,759 --> 00:13:56,149 I think there's a lot of people that 298 00:14:00,400 --> 00:13:57,769 don't pay attention to 299 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:00,410 off-centered articles in the I know I 300 00:14:04,420 --> 00:14:02,930 remember when that article came out 301 00:14:07,030 --> 00:14:04,430 least Spiegel wrote about it on the 302 00:14:10,449 --> 00:14:07,040 Huffington Post and there was big 303 00:14:15,699 --> 00:14:10,459 shockwaves about the title card that 304 00:14:17,049 --> 00:14:15,709 said authentic alien artifact but I 305 00:14:19,059 --> 00:14:17,059 think a lot of people weren't paying 306 00:14:22,030 --> 00:14:19,069 attention and I think people are paying 307 00:14:23,530 --> 00:14:22,040 attention now and so all these new 308 00:14:26,530 --> 00:14:23,540 people who are starting to get 309 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:26,540 fascinated have no idea that these 310 00:14:31,689 --> 00:14:30,050 incredible other artifacts have existed 311 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:31,699 and have been public and have been 312 00:14:37,119 --> 00:14:35,689 talked about and publicized so it's I 313 00:14:40,650 --> 00:14:37,129 think it's a new era where we're just 314 00:14:45,069 --> 00:14:40,660 having so many new people coming into 315 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:45,079 the idea that there are unknown craft of 316 00:14:52,179 --> 00:14:48,050 unknown origin flying around in our air 317 00:14:55,079 --> 00:14:52,189 spaces and and possibly interacting with 318 00:14:57,879 --> 00:14:55,089 us whether that's military and or 319 00:15:00,819 --> 00:14:57,889 something next or terrestrial we do not 320 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:00,829 know so yeah I think it's it's just 321 00:15:08,049 --> 00:15:04,490 based on time and when that happened it 322 00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:08,059 was probably 2000 I don't know 10 when 323 00:15:12,309 --> 00:15:08,720 was that 324 00:15:15,460 --> 00:15:12,319 George's on artifact on display we heard 325 00:15:17,439 --> 00:15:15,470 about it prior to to the museum right 326 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:17,449 getting it on display so yeah it 327 00:15:21,850 --> 00:15:19,370 probably would have been 2010 I know 328 00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:21,860 2012 is when when we published his story 329 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:24,230 about it okay and that's when the is iam 330 00:15:27,669 --> 00:15:25,970 open to you and we went to see it so I 331 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:27,679 mean that was like that was a long time 332 00:15:33,460 --> 00:15:30,649 ago so seven years a lot changes 333 00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:33,470 especially in this field and I think you 334 00:15:39,150 --> 00:15:35,569 know we're seeing that and for us I 335 00:15:42,189 --> 00:15:39,160 think maybe there's a level of maybe 336 00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:42,199 annoyance or frustration that people are 337 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:45,230 acknowledging just this one thing that's 338 00:15:49,869 --> 00:15:48,410 been around forever that's been tested I 339 00:15:51,970 --> 00:15:49,879 mean don't get me wrong it's still cool 340 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:51,980 and more testing needs to be done and 341 00:15:55,699 --> 00:15:52,410 let's see what 342 00:15:58,069 --> 00:15:55,709 happens but because we were so involved 343 00:15:59,720 --> 00:15:58,079 and know about so many other pieces of 344 00:16:03,230 --> 00:15:59,730 material that have been going to labs 345 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:03,240 that have come back anomalous that this 346 00:16:08,449 --> 00:16:05,850 one particular people like paying so 347 00:16:13,579 --> 00:16:08,459 much attention to it maybe for us is is 348 00:16:15,949 --> 00:16:13,589 kind of dumbfounding a little bit but in 349 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:15,959 the grand scheme of things you know 350 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:19,170 people are new to learning about this 351 00:16:26,139 --> 00:16:22,649 stuff right and Ryan I mean talking 352 00:16:28,129 --> 00:16:26,149 about all the way back in 2012 you know 353 00:16:29,569 --> 00:16:28,139 social media was a different thing back 354 00:16:31,850 --> 00:16:29,579 then the social media landscape is 355 00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:31,860 completely different you know so many 356 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:34,079 years after that how much do you think 357 00:16:37,699 --> 00:16:35,850 you know the current social media 358 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:37,709 landscape plays into that to the the 359 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:40,170 current hype that we're seeing oh it's 360 00:16:45,199 --> 00:16:42,930 huge I mean like Maureen said the there 361 00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:45,209 were articles written in very sort of 362 00:16:51,889 --> 00:16:48,480 peripheral you know magazines websites 363 00:16:54,499 --> 00:16:51,899 all that sort of stuff about these 364 00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,509 topics but now when you have someone 365 00:16:59,449 --> 00:16:56,880 like Tom dong who has the resources to 366 00:17:02,059 --> 00:16:59,459 get stories like this working with the 367 00:17:04,970 --> 00:17:02,069 army and even the Nimitz Encounter 368 00:17:08,059 --> 00:17:04,980 everything out to the New York Times 369 00:17:12,049 --> 00:17:08,069 Washington Post it really changes the 370 00:17:14,270 --> 00:17:12,059 landscape of how UFOs are handled in 371 00:17:16,460 --> 00:17:14,280 mainstream media so I think it's 372 00:17:20,149 --> 00:17:16,470 interesting that we now live in an age 373 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:20,159 where this news about what took what to 374 00:17:25,309 --> 00:17:22,650 the stars is doing we can figure it out 375 00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:25,319 immediately when back then when that was 376 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:27,839 trying to you know brought this forward 377 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:30,570 and wanted to get stuff analyzed and 378 00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:33,690 tested it's not as easy to find the labs 379 00:17:38,149 --> 00:17:36,480 to get more people involved so yeah I 380 00:17:41,419 --> 00:17:38,159 think it's fascinating and a lot of 381 00:17:44,090 --> 00:17:41,429 people I mean look at just secret 382 00:17:46,970 --> 00:17:44,100 Pentagon UFO program they the government 383 00:17:49,370 --> 00:17:46,980 was investigating UFOs like that came to 384 00:17:52,010 --> 00:17:49,380 a shock to many people but like you guys 385 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:52,020 said we're so used to this stuff that we 386 00:17:58,340 --> 00:17:54,570 are like oh well yeah they did that 387 00:18:00,440 --> 00:17:58,350 before like 4050 years ago so I think it 388 00:18:03,020 --> 00:18:00,450 does have a lot to do with this 389 00:18:05,730 --> 00:18:03,030 information is new to a lot of newer 390 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:05,740 people younger people and 391 00:18:11,010 --> 00:18:07,510 I think that's exciting that they can 392 00:18:14,220 --> 00:18:11,020 now sort of live that shock in awe that 393 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:14,230 we might have had six seven years ago 394 00:18:18,930 --> 00:18:16,480 yeah well Brian you mentioned you know 395 00:18:23,130 --> 00:18:18,940 labs and testing so we could move on to 396 00:18:25,770 --> 00:18:23,140 other material so of course we have the 397 00:18:27,420 --> 00:18:25,780 interesting materials collected from the 398 00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:27,430 alleged debris field and Roswell New 399 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:30,400 Mexico where a craft reportedly crashed 400 00:18:35,850 --> 00:18:33,570 back in 1947 and Ryan you recently got 401 00:18:38,910 --> 00:18:35,860 personally involved with these materials 402 00:18:41,660 --> 00:18:38,920 so why don't you tell us about them yeah 403 00:18:45,260 --> 00:18:41,670 so this was right around the time when 404 00:18:49,710 --> 00:18:45,270 new sort of broke that Frank kempler the 405 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:49,720 the geologist in Roswell had been doing 406 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:52,090 digs for years out at what he presumed 407 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:54,490 was the Roswell crash site I mean how he 408 00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:56,110 found the location alone is pretty 409 00:19:01,500 --> 00:18:59,440 amazing as well but I did have the 410 00:19:04,290 --> 00:19:01,510 opportunity to go out to that site where 411 00:19:06,540 --> 00:19:04,300 he and his son had been digging and 412 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:06,550 digging and digging for stuff and they 413 00:19:11,490 --> 00:19:08,530 found metals out there really 414 00:19:13,470 --> 00:19:11,500 interesting metals and I did I got to 415 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:13,480 touch him I got to hold them I got to 416 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:17,650 then get them tested at a aerospace lab 417 00:19:23,910 --> 00:19:21,490 in California so it was pretty big and 418 00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:23,920 pretty heavy you know I I wasn't sure 419 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:26,080 what to expect it was for a TV project 420 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:28,530 so I thought oh you know it's all 421 00:19:35,670 --> 00:19:32,730 television probably it's gonna be 422 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:35,680 something you know very mundane and 423 00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:37,210 we're gonna make it really exciting but 424 00:19:43,710 --> 00:19:40,630 what I appreciated about the lab that we 425 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:43,720 worked with and the production crew was 426 00:19:48,660 --> 00:19:46,690 that they just did what they could do 427 00:19:51,180 --> 00:19:48,670 and that was to get these tested out of 428 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:51,190 metals lab and when we got our results 429 00:19:57,180 --> 00:19:54,210 back they were they were sobering but 430 00:19:59,940 --> 00:19:57,190 they were also really interesting I mean 431 00:20:01,860 --> 00:19:59,950 Frank says to this day the tests we had 432 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:01,870 done and I do agree with him on this 433 00:20:06,930 --> 00:20:04,930 were only a tiny fraction of what could 434 00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:06,940 be done and some of the stuff we found 435 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:09,520 was actually pretty intriguing I have to 436 00:20:15,670 --> 00:20:13,450 admit that we found that 437 00:20:18,580 --> 00:20:15,680 whatever was out in the middle of this 438 00:20:22,150 --> 00:20:18,590 desert definitely came from something 439 00:20:23,950 --> 00:20:22,160 that had to do with aerospace I mean 440 00:20:28,420 --> 00:20:23,960 it's almost unarguable at this point 441 00:20:30,970 --> 00:20:28,430 Frank has had it retested we only have 442 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:30,980 limited resources to do the tests we did 443 00:20:36,910 --> 00:20:34,010 but I have been talking to him in the 444 00:20:39,340 --> 00:20:36,920 past few weeks now and it's pretty 445 00:20:40,750 --> 00:20:39,350 fascinating what he found out there but 446 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:40,760 again this isn't making it out to the 447 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:43,460 mainstream because Frank is just one guy 448 00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:48,290 in Roswell and he's not Tom DeLonge so I 449 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:50,360 don't know I I think whatever Frank has 450 00:20:55,870 --> 00:20:52,490 out there is still worth looking at for 451 00:21:03,340 --> 00:20:55,880 sure I mean personally I think that 452 00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:03,350 Frank is celebrity status Maureen is one 453 00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:05,120 of the nicest people in the world he is 454 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:07,430 we love Frank and morning you've also 455 00:21:12,490 --> 00:21:09,290 been out to the Roswell debris field and 456 00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,500 you've seen Frank's material and heard 457 00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,480 him speak about them many times over the 458 00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:16,400 years so what do you think about the 459 00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:19,790 stuff that he has well I I think that 460 00:21:27,550 --> 00:21:22,880 you know it it's interesting because of 461 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:27,560 if you go out to the field and see what 462 00:21:32,790 --> 00:21:29,210 it is I mean you're in the desert in the 463 00:21:36,190 --> 00:21:32,800 middle of nowhere it's it's basically 464 00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:36,200 government-owned farmland and it's 465 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:39,440 desolate and you can see sort of 466 00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,570 activity by a lot of different people 467 00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:43,280 who have come through looking for 468 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:48,320 artifacts so finding things there is 469 00:21:55,690 --> 00:21:51,710 neat and the fact that it's come from 470 00:22:00,130 --> 00:21:55,700 sort of an aerospace angle with the 471 00:22:01,510 --> 00:22:00,140 testing is intriguing but I don't know 472 00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:01,520 again it's one of those things where 473 00:22:07,780 --> 00:22:04,310 it's at this point it's nothing till 474 00:22:10,570 --> 00:22:07,790 it's something and we kind of have to 475 00:22:12,580 --> 00:22:10,580 wait until more advanced testing can be 476 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:12,590 done I mean I say this all the time 477 00:22:19,060 --> 00:22:15,490 because I kind of dealt with a different 478 00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:19,070 situation than Ryan when I was involved 479 00:22:25,390 --> 00:22:22,220 in a TV project and we tested metal that 480 00:22:27,610 --> 00:22:25,400 was I mean this is a much more 481 00:22:31,210 --> 00:22:27,620 far-fetched story 482 00:22:35,770 --> 00:22:31,220 was allegedly shot off of a UFO and 483 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:35,780 melted into a guy's driveway and it came 484 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:39,530 back we took it - it had been tested in 485 00:22:47,050 --> 00:22:43,970 various labs we took a sample to another 486 00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,060 lab I was not involved with picking how 487 00:22:52,330 --> 00:22:49,760 this testing was going to be done and of 488 00:22:55,420 --> 00:22:52,340 course the people who tested it are 489 00:22:57,130 --> 00:22:55,430 lovely people let me say that first we 490 00:22:59,860 --> 00:22:57,140 showed up to their lab and the first 491 00:23:04,060 --> 00:22:59,870 thing I see is like a giant Star Trek 492 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:04,070 you know memorial lots of toys and 493 00:23:07,390 --> 00:23:04,550 things 494 00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:07,400 uh sure I know yeah basically and then I 495 00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:10,310 found out that they were in fact 496 00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:14,720 involved in the UFO community legitimate 497 00:23:19,810 --> 00:23:17,750 scientists however there's that bias and 498 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:19,820 you hear me say this all the time that I 499 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:21,710 think it should be definitely any 500 00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,730 testing done and labs should be by you 501 00:23:29,340 --> 00:23:27,440 know third-party sources that have no 502 00:23:32,140 --> 00:23:29,350 idea what people think it might be 503 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:32,150 and/or are involved in the UFO community 504 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:34,570 because there is a bias that definitely 505 00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:37,910 comes forward I think a little bit even 506 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:41,840 when the science is is there the middle 507 00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:45,530 that we had had unnatural levels of one 508 00:23:54,820 --> 00:23:51,230 of strontium she you know what my brain 509 00:23:59,380 --> 00:23:54,830 my memory is so bad a years ago so that 510 00:24:02,010 --> 00:23:59,390 what the number strontium it was so it 511 00:24:07,660 --> 00:24:02,020 was coming back unusual that it was not 512 00:24:10,180 --> 00:24:07,670 man-made again cool but it could be a 513 00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:10,190 thousand things but the the level of 514 00:24:14,740 --> 00:24:11,960 testing required to be done on these 515 00:24:17,970 --> 00:24:14,750 pieces requires extensive funds and 516 00:24:21,130 --> 00:24:17,980 funds that while the Army has however 517 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:21,140 most scenarios to test all these metals 518 00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:23,090 don't so we're entering I think like 519 00:24:29,580 --> 00:24:24,710 Ryan said earlier you know this is an 520 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:29,590 exciting thing because the money and the 521 00:24:35,890 --> 00:24:33,650 technology is now available to TTS a do 522 00:24:37,930 --> 00:24:35,900 you have that level of testing done now 523 00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,940 could there be conspiracy and coverup of 524 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:40,240 course but 525 00:24:44,430 --> 00:24:43,090 it's it's a new era so yes there's all 526 00:24:47,869 --> 00:24:44,440 these metals and all this testing is 527 00:24:50,879 --> 00:24:47,879 being done my opinion on all of it is 528 00:24:52,619 --> 00:24:50,889 I'm still waiting for the the ground 529 00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:52,629 shocking news about one of these 530 00:24:57,539 --> 00:24:55,809 mouthpieces yeah Maureen you made a good 531 00:25:00,810 --> 00:24:57,549 point to like about the science like 532 00:25:03,330 --> 00:25:00,820 sometimes it's not even wide like a high 533 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:03,340 amount of something in these alloys or 534 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:06,369 these metals it's what's not in it and 535 00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:09,730 at least with us like it wasn't we were 536 00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:11,590 looking for this one particular element 537 00:25:16,769 --> 00:25:14,320 molybdenum which Frank had other tests 538 00:25:18,869 --> 00:25:16,779 done that said there was a ridiculous 539 00:25:21,389 --> 00:25:18,879 amount of it in the metal and that 540 00:25:23,850 --> 00:25:21,399 should never happen on earth so we had 541 00:25:26,940 --> 00:25:23,860 that specific test done to look for that 542 00:25:31,259 --> 00:25:26,950 element now we came up with a extremely 543 00:25:33,629 --> 00:25:31,269 different result and that was very you 544 00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:33,639 know unfortunate like we were hoping 545 00:25:37,649 --> 00:25:35,320 that was gonna be it but it's actually 546 00:25:39,419 --> 00:25:37,659 what we didn't find that was more 547 00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:39,429 intriguing and Frank pointed this out to 548 00:25:46,129 --> 00:25:41,950 us that what we found or I should say 549 00:25:51,180 --> 00:25:46,139 what he found what we had tested had a 550 00:25:53,789 --> 00:25:51,190 huge amount of iron and whatever it came 551 00:25:55,950 --> 00:25:53,799 from like shouldn't have had that much 552 00:25:57,779 --> 00:25:55,960 iron and definitely was aerospace and 553 00:26:00,389 --> 00:25:57,789 was out in the middle of a desert where 554 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:00,399 there's no life nothing so I think 555 00:26:04,529 --> 00:26:02,049 that's really interesting too and 556 00:26:04,889 --> 00:26:04,539 another thing to bring up to is that you 557 00:26:07,529 --> 00:26:04,899 know 558 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:07,539 TTS a in the army you've got George 559 00:26:12,090 --> 00:26:10,090 Knapp in the atomic testing museum and 560 00:26:14,009 --> 00:26:12,100 then with us it was with Frank the 561 00:26:16,739 --> 00:26:14,019 government the Bureau Land Management 562 00:26:18,539 --> 00:26:16,749 wanted to take his metals so it seems to 563 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:18,549 always go back to the military and 564 00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:20,590 government these materials somehow 565 00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:23,350 someway yeah absolutely and do we trust 566 00:26:27,509 --> 00:26:26,049 that or not it's the real question right 567 00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:27,519 but they're the only ones who have the 568 00:26:33,450 --> 00:26:29,590 money to do it so it is it's a really 569 00:26:37,289 --> 00:26:33,460 sufficient nebulous area yeah and then 570 00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:37,299 there's also the whole alien implant 571 00:26:45,509 --> 00:26:40,990 thing so I don't really want to dive 572 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:45,519 into that today but briefly there are 573 00:26:50,430 --> 00:26:47,950 several people who over the years have 574 00:26:51,549 --> 00:26:50,440 done research on mysterious objects 575 00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:51,559 removed from in 576 00:26:57,850 --> 00:26:54,769 people dr. Roger Leir is someone who did 577 00:26:59,499 --> 00:26:57,860 extensive research in the field and he 578 00:27:01,779 --> 00:26:59,509 and his associates made some pretty big 579 00:27:05,139 --> 00:27:01,789 claims about some of these objects like 580 00:27:07,419 --> 00:27:05,149 emitting signals moving once removed 581 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:07,429 from the body and other incredible stuff 582 00:27:12,820 --> 00:27:10,850 and some of his research indicated that 583 00:27:16,989 --> 00:27:12,830 some of these objects showed signs of 584 00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,999 being advanced nanotechnology jeremy 585 00:27:22,210 --> 00:27:18,559 corbels film about dr. lairs word 586 00:27:23,950 --> 00:27:22,220 patient 17 is something that you know I 587 00:27:26,109 --> 00:27:23,960 would recommend to people check out if 588 00:27:29,379 --> 00:27:26,119 you're interested in more on alleged 589 00:27:31,989 --> 00:27:29,389 alien implants but I guess briefly Ryan 590 00:27:34,899 --> 00:27:31,999 what are your thoughts on on that sort 591 00:27:37,149 --> 00:27:34,909 of alleged alien material I think it's 592 00:27:40,769 --> 00:27:37,159 interesting I mean I do speak to 593 00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,779 experiencers on almost a daily basis I 594 00:27:45,999 --> 00:27:43,279 personally have never had any experience 595 00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:46,009 with seeing these implants that were 596 00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:48,740 taken out or touching them or being in 597 00:27:54,369 --> 00:27:50,990 proximity to them I remember one 598 00:27:59,230 --> 00:27:54,379 experience or said they had over 2000 599 00:28:01,389 --> 00:27:59,240 implants in them I don't know if I tend 600 00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,399 to believe that I saw no indication of 601 00:28:06,430 --> 00:28:03,679 that but yet there are these stories 602 00:28:07,869 --> 00:28:06,440 where people had things removed and you 603 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:07,879 know they went to get it and it would 604 00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:09,710 like literally almost like it was 605 00:28:15,009 --> 00:28:12,169 intelligent it would go away from the 606 00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,019 the surgeon or the people trying to get 607 00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:17,600 it so it is fascinating 608 00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:20,600 and it's interesting but nothing that I 609 00:28:27,159 --> 00:28:24,320 would really put my timer efforts into 610 00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:27,169 at this point but again unless it was 611 00:28:33,249 --> 00:28:30,559 taken out and tests were done on it the 612 00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:33,259 one person that we had that could do 613 00:28:39,399 --> 00:28:36,799 that is now gone and that's unfortunate 614 00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:39,409 there are others who are still doing 615 00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:41,740 implant removals 616 00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:45,240 morning doesn't Derrel Sims also do yes 617 00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:49,919 dr. Leir were partners at first yeah I I 618 00:28:55,470 --> 00:28:52,360 don't want to say there was a falling 619 00:28:57,149 --> 00:28:55,480 out but I think there may have been two 620 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:57,159 where they ended up going on their own 621 00:29:02,610 --> 00:28:57,730 paths 622 00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:02,620 but yeah Daryl has a lot of things that 623 00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:06,240 are alleged to be implants and/or 624 00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:09,510 material of an origin as well and Ryan's 625 00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:12,460 do your comment about having not having 626 00:29:15,779 --> 00:29:14,380 seen them the ones I've seen there's 627 00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:15,789 certainly not much to see right I mean 628 00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:21,279 there's super tiny bodies yeah sometimes 629 00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:22,710 they're like grains of sand really 630 00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:26,169 exactly and you know again like you know 631 00:29:31,139 --> 00:29:28,230 a lot of them just look like calcified 632 00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:31,149 whatever blood or something within the 633 00:29:37,380 --> 00:29:34,960 body so I mean again it it's in the eye 634 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:37,390 of the beholder if this experiencer has 635 00:29:42,539 --> 00:29:39,370 a story that they were abducted by 636 00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:42,549 aliens and this implant comes out of 637 00:29:46,019 --> 00:29:43,990 course they're gonna think it was put in 638 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:46,029 there by the aliens but when you have 639 00:29:50,010 --> 00:29:48,130 someone who's never told a abduction 640 00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:50,020 story and they're still finding these 641 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:52,630 weird things inside people that's kind 642 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:55,090 of interesting too but yeah like like I 643 00:30:00,930 --> 00:29:58,090 said it's it's such a murky territory 644 00:30:03,060 --> 00:30:00,940 when it comes the the implant stuff for 645 00:30:06,060 --> 00:30:03,070 me personally well the implant stuff is 646 00:30:08,669 --> 00:30:06,070 so much so much more controversial to 647 00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,679 right I mean is this is kind of weird 648 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:11,200 creepy territory and Maureen to your 649 00:30:17,399 --> 00:30:13,690 point especially I think with the whole 650 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:17,409 implant thing what you said about you 651 00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:19,090 know making sure the science is good is 652 00:30:25,169 --> 00:30:23,320 is so important making sure the you know 653 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:25,179 people doing the removing and the people 654 00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:27,490 doing any sort of testing are not 655 00:30:32,970 --> 00:30:30,399 themselves affiliated with the UFO world 656 00:30:35,789 --> 00:30:32,980 right I think that sort of taints it and 657 00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:35,799 and causes people to sort of steer the 658 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:39,070 evidence right and and like I made that 659 00:30:43,019 --> 00:30:40,809 point the people who were doing the 660 00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:43,029 testing we're legitimate scientists and 661 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:46,120 I am not discrediting their science they 662 00:30:51,779 --> 00:30:49,330 it's more of the fact that the 663 00:30:55,169 --> 00:30:51,789 association with the UFO phenomenon 664 00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:55,179 makes me feel like it is less credible 665 00:30:59,800 --> 00:30:55,430 to 666 00:31:01,600 --> 00:30:59,810 where's the science behind their point 667 00:31:05,710 --> 00:31:01,610 yeah the science can be you know 668 00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:05,720 completely good science but yeah that 669 00:31:12,430 --> 00:31:08,720 Association taints it yeah and you know 670 00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:12,440 that with the the implants too like Ryan 671 00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,900 said that's very its murky territory and 672 00:31:18,730 --> 00:31:16,880 I've seen some really weird things and 673 00:31:21,550 --> 00:31:18,740 I've obviously like Jason mentioned 674 00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:21,560 patient 17 goes over a lot of detail and 675 00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:25,580 science behind a specific implant 676 00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:29,230 removal alleged implant I should say and 677 00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:32,360 it's fascinating but unfortunately you 678 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:34,160 know a lot of people are very disturbed 679 00:31:39,250 --> 00:31:37,910 by this idea and as Ryan mentioned you 680 00:31:43,450 --> 00:31:39,260 know he's talked to people who allege 681 00:31:47,770 --> 00:31:43,460 that they have 2008 in plants and it's 682 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:47,780 it's a really big I think it can be a 683 00:31:54,130 --> 00:31:52,370 big mental problem health problem and 684 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:54,140 when I say this I'm saying that people 685 00:31:58,450 --> 00:31:56,090 are going to get so scared that they may 686 00:32:00,400 --> 00:31:58,460 have an alleged alien implant that 687 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:00,410 they're gonna try to get it out and I've 688 00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:01,970 witnessed this before and it was 689 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:04,910 somebody trying to like dig an implant 690 00:32:09,330 --> 00:32:06,710 out of their leg and it was really gross 691 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:09,340 and disturbing and I tried to stop it 692 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:14,450 you know so I guess my plea is if you 693 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:16,730 think that there is something going on 694 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:19,970 like that do not try to hurt yourself to 695 00:32:25,390 --> 00:32:22,570 remove an implant go see somebody 696 00:32:27,790 --> 00:32:25,400 because it is not something and someone 697 00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:27,800 should do on their own and maybe it is a 698 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:30,470 natural foreign object that has gotten 699 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:32,810 lodged in your your your leg or where 700 00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:35,690 have you right but I mean it doesn't 701 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:39,200 matter what what you think you know put 702 00:32:43,810 --> 00:32:41,930 that there what his origin is or what 703 00:32:46,180 --> 00:32:43,820 its actual origin may be if that's the 704 00:32:48,340 --> 00:32:46,190 case that some alien put it in you that 705 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:48,350 really doesn't matter doctors are still 706 00:32:51,910 --> 00:32:50,330 going to help you take that out if you 707 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:51,920 go and say I've got something weird 708 00:32:57,250 --> 00:32:54,890 inside me please get this out doctors 709 00:32:59,290 --> 00:32:57,260 are going to help you absolutely in case 710 00:33:01,900 --> 00:32:59,300 and and also like that goes with 711 00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:01,910 hypnotherapy too I mean if you think you 712 00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:04,640 were abducted by aliens or you have a 713 00:33:08,430 --> 00:33:06,200 memory of something really weird 714 00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:08,440 happening and you need to like do 715 00:33:13,530 --> 00:33:10,540 then mentally and emotionally don't go 716 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:13,540 to an alien therapist go to a real you 717 00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:17,010 know certified therapist or 718 00:33:23,390 --> 00:33:20,470 psychoanalyst or hypnotherapist and have 719 00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:23,400 them do it I feel like no matter if it's 720 00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:25,990 hypnotherapy or testing a metal or 721 00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:29,230 getting an implant removed like go where 722 00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:33,100 the science is not where the biased is I 723 00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:36,040 would say yeah so I we we all love 724 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:38,350 material when it comes to this strange 725 00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:41,530 world of UFOs it's exciting when you 726 00:33:47,310 --> 00:33:44,950 have something physical to analyze but 727 00:33:50,010 --> 00:33:47,320 as with anything else related to UFO 728 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:50,020 research it's so important to remain 729 00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,770 objective 730 00:33:56,220 --> 00:33:53,440 avoiding any attempts to force results 731 00:33:58,650 --> 00:33:56,230 to fit your desired outcome now TTS a is 732 00:34:01,680 --> 00:33:58,660 effort could conclude that the material 733 00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:01,690 they have is just a piece of junk would 734 00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:04,860 that be bad no an expensive piece of 735 00:34:09,570 --> 00:34:06,220 junk 736 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:09,580 so it wouldn't be bad it's it's just a 737 00:34:14,460 --> 00:34:11,680 result of scientific testing it would 738 00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,470 eliminate one item of interest allowing 739 00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:16,960 them to move on to the next one now if 740 00:34:22,350 --> 00:34:20,260 TTS a is test results in an incredible 741 00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:22,360 discovery then that will be pretty 742 00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:25,960 exciting as far as we're concerned we're 743 00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:28,440 just spectators at someone else's show 744 00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:31,540 we're happy to see a company with the 745 00:34:36,990 --> 00:34:34,390 necessary resources taking Gamble's on 746 00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:37,000 things like this trying to unravel 747 00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:39,840 mysteries it's a fun show to watch 748 00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:43,030 regardless of the outcome I agree I'm 749 00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:45,190 along for the ride I can't wait to see 750 00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:47,710 what comes of this material maybe 751 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:50,470 finally we'll get an answer that Windows 752 00:34:55,980 --> 00:34:52,570 has been looking for for almost three 753 00:34:59,790 --> 00:34:55,990 decades yeah seriously but what happens 754 00:35:02,100 --> 00:34:59,800 if if the army then does testing and it 755 00:35:04,050 --> 00:35:02,110 comes back super anomalous and they're 756 00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:04,060 like oh sweet we're going to be able to 757 00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:07,870 have floating cars and do all this crazy 758 00:35:12,810 --> 00:35:10,120 stuff with this this metal on our ground 759 00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,820 vehicles in and then it's all black 760 00:35:18,510 --> 00:35:14,800 budget and we never hear the results I 761 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:18,520 mean that's a concern Oh huge concern 762 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:21,850 and a very big possibility I think so 763 00:35:27,630 --> 00:35:25,330 again it's hard because we know that to 764 00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:27,640 the stars wants to look at UFOs but at 765 00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:29,350 the end of the day I keep coming back to 766 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:32,260 the fact that DeLong is trying to paint 767 00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:34,290 a better picture of the military and 768 00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,750 people seem to keep forgetting that that 769 00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:39,040 that's kind of the end goal with all 770 00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:41,950 this is to find interesting technology 771 00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:45,190 to benefit humanity and also paint a 772 00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:48,220 better picture of the US military so I 773 00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,500 don't know Maureen that's a really good 774 00:35:55,410 --> 00:35:52,960 point even if it does get tested and its 775 00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:55,420 anomalous will we ever even know or find 776 00:36:01,050 --> 00:35:58,450 out we'll probably be left in the dark 777 00:36:03,930 --> 00:36:01,060 yeah and again I mean that's another big 778 00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:03,940 thing too you know being able to get to 779 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:06,460 the application stage right because even 780 00:36:12,810 --> 00:36:08,650 if you find out the material is 781 00:36:14,850 --> 00:36:12,820 anomalous or may be extraterrestrial or 782 00:36:18,270 --> 00:36:14,860 has signs to indicate that it was 783 00:36:20,430 --> 00:36:18,280 manufactured not on this planet that's 784 00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:20,440 interesting news it's stuff that makes 785 00:36:25,470 --> 00:36:23,110 us scratch our heads or makes us go wow 786 00:36:26,850 --> 00:36:25,480 that's so rad and we tell our friends 787 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:26,860 and we discuss it and talk about the 788 00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:30,370 possibilities but that's it you know 789 00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:32,230 just because you've found a piece of 790 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:33,550 material that's weird 791 00:36:37,290 --> 00:36:35,170 doesn't mean all of a sudden that we can 792 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:37,300 build flying saucers yeah that's a good 793 00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:38,890 point I mean we also know that at the 794 00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:40,990 beginning Tom DeLonge wanted to build a 795 00:36:51,630 --> 00:36:47,710 spaceship what if that actually happens 796 00:36:53,610 --> 00:36:51,640 where we in our lifetime somehow you 797 00:36:56,540 --> 00:36:53,620 have well it wouldn't be a UFO would 798 00:37:00,930 --> 00:36:56,550 just be a spacecraft you're right that 799 00:37:04,050 --> 00:37:00,940 yes yeah that that is easy to and fast 800 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:04,060 to get around the galaxy or not even the 801 00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:07,690 galaxy the universe yeah I mean hey just 802 00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:10,030 I don't think it's that crazy look at 803 00:37:15,390 --> 00:37:11,950 how far technology's come in less 10 804 00:37:15,930 --> 00:37:15,400 years it's really bad yeah I don't know 805 00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:15,940 it's crazy 806 00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,220 well uh especially since if if what I 807 00:37:21,930 --> 00:37:21,280 said earlier about the military if they 808 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:21,940 did recover 809 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:26,730 you know this crashed UFO back in 1947 810 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:29,890 imagine what they I mean I assume it 811 00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,090 takes a long time to reverse-engineer 812 00:37:34,070 --> 00:37:33,280 but maybe they already have something 813 00:37:36,590 --> 00:37:34,080 cool 814 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:36,600 and now they just need an extra piece 815 00:37:41,540 --> 00:37:39,930 one one more extra piece can make it to 816 00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:41,550 make it super tough and have great armor 817 00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:43,710 it's just missing the cup holder in this 818 00:37:50,570 --> 00:37:47,250 isn't cup holder it's a cup holder with 819 00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:50,580 a cup full of element 115 exactly that's 820 00:37:59,290 --> 00:37:54,420 what actually the pilot has to drink the 821 00:38:09,560 --> 00:37:59,300 element 115 concoction in order to fly 822 00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:09,570 humans can now fly will citizens that's 823 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:11,460 gonna do it for this episode you could 824 00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:13,050 find more episodes if unknown on Apple 825 00:38:16,370 --> 00:38:14,760 podcast stitcher at Google Play I Heart 826 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:16,380 Radio and YouTube 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